How to run the Ivysaur 4-4-8 program

Who Is This Program For?

Ivysaur 4-4-8 is for the beginner or returning lifter who wants a barbell linear progression with more balance and more rep variety than the classics.

It suits you if:

• You are in your first year of barbell training, or coming back after time off
• You can train three days a week with a rest day between sessions
• You want your bench and deadlift to move as fast as your squat
• You would rather the program adapt to how fast you are actually progressing

It is a beginner program in the sense that it adds weight on a schedule. If you can no longer add weight every two weeks, move on to something with a longer cycle.

The Argument With Starting Strength

Program Structure

Two Weeks, Not One

The cycle is six sessions long, not three. Week A and week B are different, so what you do on a Monday depends on which week you are in.

Every session is four exercises: one horizontal press, one lower body compound, one overhead press, one upper back pull.

Week A

Week B

Monday, Wednesday, Friday with at least one rest day between sessions.

One Weight Per Lift

The eight rep weight is 90% of the four rep weight. You have one number per lift and everything else comes out of it.

Your squat four rep weight is 100 kg / 225 lbs
  4 × 4 days: 100 kg / 225 lbs
  4 × 8 days:  90 kg / 200 lbs

That is the whole loading model. There is no percentage of a max anywhere in this program.

Progression: The Part That Makes It Different

Each lift increases once per two week cycle, off its AMRAP set.

The AMRAP is the whole mechanism. Four of the lifts carry one AMRAP set per cycle, on the third day of the week they are heaviest in. Three sets of four, then a fourth set taken for as many reps as you can with good form.

• Get four or five: normal increase
• Get eight or more: double the increase

That is the answer to the "one fixed progression rate" complaint. A beginner whose squat is flying gets 15 kg a cycle instead of 7.5, and gets it because they earned it rather than because a program guessed.

The bent over row and the chin up have no AMRAP: the row takes the base increase every cycle and the chin up adds the smallest plate you have after every two clean sessions.

When You Miss

If you cannot complete the sets, cut that lift by 10% and build back. Only that lift, and only when you have missed it repeatedly rather than after one bad day.

Everything else in the program carries on untouched. A bad squat cycle does not touch your bench.

Get Your Form Right First

Everything below assumes your form is already solid. Finding your working weight, adding weight, chasing reps, all of it only works if you can perform the lift correctly. While your form is not locked in, that is your only job. Make good form the goal of every set, not the weight on the bar. Drilling the movement with an empty bar beats loading plates onto a lift you cannot control yet.

To learn, don't hesitate to search Google and YouTube (there is a lot of good free material) and record yourself from the side to compare against a proper demonstration. In general, good form means a full controlled range of motion, a braced neutral spine, no bouncing or momentum, a consistent setup every rep, and ending the set when technique breaks down rather than grinding sloppy reps.

Finding Your Starting Weights

You enter one weight per lift: the weight you can take for four clean sets of four.

Not your four rep max. A weight you can do four sets of four with, which is meaningfully lighter.

If You Have Never Trained

Start with the empty bar on everything and let the increases do the work. Two weeks in you will have added 15 kg to your squat and it will still be easy, which is exactly what you want from a first month.

If You Are Coming Back

1. Take the heaviest weight you have used recently for a set of five
2. Use about 85% of it as your four rep weight
3. Round down

Example:

You squatted 120 kg / 265 lbs for 5 a few months ago:
  Four rep weight = 120 × 0.85 = 102, round to 100 kg
                  = 265 × 0.85 = 225 lbs
  Eight rep weight = 90 kg / 200 lbs, worked out for you

Start light on purpose. The increases here are large, up to 15 kg a cycle on the squat, so a conservative start is caught up with inside a month. A greedy start is not.

Warming Up

Ramp before the first exercise of each pattern. The eight rep days need less than the four rep days, because the weight is lower and the first working set does part of the job.

Rest Times

Rest fully before an AMRAP set. It sets your increase for the next two weeks, and rushing it costs you a doubled increase you had earned.

When Things Go Wrong

If you miss reps on a four rep day, finish what you can and try the same weight next cycle. One bad session is not a stall.

If you miss the same lift for three cycles, cut it 10% and rebuild. Only that lift.

If an eight rep day is a fight, your four rep number is too high. The eight rep work is at 90% of it and it is supposed to be completable.

If your AMRAP never gets past five, that is fine and normal. The doubling is a bonus for lifts that are flying, not a target.

If everything stalls at once, take a light week at two thirds of the weight and then restart the cycle where you left off.

Program Duration

The program runs until it stops working, which for a genuine beginner is several months and often close to a year.

There is no fixed block and no scheduled deload. When two or three lifts need a 10% cut in the same month, the program has run its course and you should move to something with a longer cycle: the Texas Method, GZCLP or a 5/3/1 variant.

A third-party version of this program adds a fixed ten week block with a deload in week 5 and a PR week in week 10. That is not the original and is not what is written here.

Access the Original Program

The original 2016 post on r/Fitness, with the author's own reasoning:

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